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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:42 pm 
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The day I went cave diving on a backmount setup with a stage bottle and a camera, I wished I dove with sidemount set up.
Other day I went to choppy Manta Point and watch these 3 Europeans all using sidemounts (one of them is Sidemount Instructor), and I was pretty sure they were wishing for backmounts :))

One just need to be aware on what for where, when for which.

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:54 pm 
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Christo del Mar wrote:
The day I went cave diving on a backmount setup with a stage bottle and a camera, I wished I dove with sidemount set up.
Other day I went to choppy Manta Point and watch these 3 Europeans all using sidemounts (one of them is Sidemount Instructor), and I was pretty sure they were wishing for backmounts :))

One just need to be aware on what for where, when for which.

Cheers!


So very true, Chris! :D

Jangan lupa share cerita cave exploration di Kupang yah... :-bd

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:13 am 
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Christo del Mar wrote:
The day I went cave diving on a backmount setup with a stage bottle and a camera, I wished I dove with sidemount set up.
Other day I went to choppy Manta Point and watch these 3 Europeans all using sidemounts (one of them is Sidemount Instructor), and I was pretty sure they were wishing for backmounts :))

One just need to be aware on what for where, when for which.

Cheers!



Nah terjemahan bahasa indonesianya mungkin : berhati hati pada apa untuk dimana , kapan untuk yang mana. Hahahaha bener gak mas chris? Kayanya salah yah hahahahha


Nah jd semuanya sih tergantung pada penggunannya untuk apa dan kondisi saat itu seperti apa. Tetapi saya sangatsepakat dgn pas kondisi berimbak dan arus di manta point dengan camera pula saya yakin dgn single tank BM + camera bakalan lbh gampang persiapan dan bs lbh cepet masuk kedalan air tanpa bantuan siapapun diver bs loncat sendiri atau backroll entry. Karena semua alat dah nempel di badannya jd goyangan ombak gak terlalu semenyulitkan dibanding pakai SM yah. Tp kl balik ke personalnya mungkin akan ada jawaban dr SM expert yg bilang, gak juga kok pake Sm lbh cepet. Tp disini kita bicara secara general atau pada umumnya diver yg ada mau itu laki, perempuan, bencong, tua muda keriput atau masih mulus semua akan bs melakukannya.


Silahkan dilanjut berhubung saya gak pernah pake SM ( karena uang menjadi kendala seperti kata om BK mending pake BM aja) jd gak bs byk ksh masukan, hanya pernah liat aja diver SM kesulitan dan bantuin ( bantuin ketawain doang sih) hahaa :))

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:34 am 
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Ada video keren nih.... river drift diving.... cobain yuk... imagine doing this dive in SM configuration.... :D

http://youtu.be/sL4qwGLnEPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABmZdlZEZOY

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:04 am 
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Wah asyik tu drift-dive nya.. kayak superman, melayang cepat.

Kalau di Indonesia sepertinya nggak ada sungai yg kayak gitu ya? Banyakan sungai batunya gede2, yg untuk rafting.
Lagipula di Indonesia penduduknya padat, rata2 bantaran sungai ada kampungnya, meskipun ada sungai flat-batu2 kayak gitu, takutnya banyak sampah dan material buangan di dasar sungai, bisa2 ketancap kalau melakukan drift-dive begitu

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:21 am 
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ditajong wrote:
Tetapi saya sangatsepakat dgn pas kondisi berimbak dan arus di manta point dengan camera pula saya yakin dgn single tank BM + camera bakalan lbh gampang persiapan dan bs lbh cepet masuk kedalan air tanpa bantuan siapapun diver bs loncat sendiri atau backroll entry. Karena semua alat dah nempel di badannya jd goyangan ombak gak terlalu semenyulitkan dibanding pakai SM yah. Tp kl balik ke personalnya mungkin akan ada jawaban dr SM expert yg bilang, gak juga kok pake Sm lbh cepet. Tp disini kita bicara secara general atau pada umumnya diver yg ada mau itu laki, perempuan, bencong, tua muda keriput atau masih mulus semua akan bs melakukannya.

Selama dilakukan training yg baik dan benar, terutama ditangani oleh instruktur yang baik pula *ehem*, segala problem yg disebutkan om dita di atas tidak perlu terjadi.

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Silahkan dilanjut berhubung saya gak pernah pake SM ( karena uang menjadi kendala seperti kata om BK mending pake BM aja) jd gak bs byk ksh masukan, hanya pernah liat aja diver SM kesulitan dan bantuin ( bantuin ketawain doang sih) hahaa :))

Jangankan pakai sm, wong yg pakai bm pun tidak sedikit yg kesulitan jika belum pengalaman ditambah hasil didikan instruktur model miki mos.

Btw, pisahkan sm technical dan sm recreational. sm bisa single atau double. sm tidak wajib dipakai di air. dsb dsb. Jika dilakukan training sm recreational yg baik dan benar, mitos2 sm yg berupa asumsi dan penafsiran keliru diharapkan tidak lagi ada dan industri selam recreational di Indonesia akan lebih penuh warna. MERDEKA! \m/


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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:46 am 
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om BotolKecap...

Instruktur model miki mos apaan tuh? Hihihi... kayanya lucu tuh... ada yg model mini mos gak?

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:20 pm 
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Christo del Mar wrote:
Other day I went to choppy Manta Point and watch these 3 Europeans all using sidemounts (one of them is Sidemount Instructor), and I was pretty sure they were wishing for backmounts :))

One just need to be aware on what for where, when for which.
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Hi Christo,

Do the Sm diver have difficulty to get in and out from water ?

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:36 pm 
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rendra wrote:
Ada video keren nih.... river drift diving.... cobain yuk... imagine doing this dive in SM configuration.... :D

http://youtu.be/sL4qwGLnEPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABmZdlZEZOY


Hi Renda,

Wow....Very strong current drift dive ya, Is it any different if we use BM or Sm in that kind of diving ?

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:17 pm 
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Hi Mike,

Yes, very strong current and I think those guys are nuts. Interesting to try thou.... :)

I'd love to try that river diving... I think it's the same speed like at SD Point, Nusa Penida. I love drifting at SD Point, fantastic! Have you tried diving at SD Point Mike?

Regarding configuration, yes I do think the better way to dive that water is in BM configuration (for many reasons we can logically think of).

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:56 pm 
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Hi Renda,

I haven't try drift dive in SD Point, try before in Nusa Lembongan Blue Corner and West Komodo NW Gili Banta.

As to me, with proper training, knowledge understanding, dive experience and good physical body, will keep diver out of danger. It is still depend of the diver comfort level to choose BM or SM while diving in choppy water, strong current or overhead environment with proper training and understanding of their equipment.

SM & BM configuration, is just the tank mount on back or side of the diver, end of the day is still diving.
They give diver different kind of flexibility, comfort level and personal habit.

Have a nice day & dive safe.

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:56 am 
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Mike Ooi wrote:
SM & BM configuration, is just the tank mount on back or side of the diver, end of the day is still diving.
They give diver different kind of flexibility, comfort level and personal habit.


but on page 1 you wrote

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Side Mounting is one of the most simple configuration of a BCD , it give you stream line profile while diving, much easier to get in to trim position in terms for buoyancy and not forgetting emergency procedure too. http://www.forumselam.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4119


i don't get it. i'm a noob; so SM is no more 'one of the most simple configuration of a BCD'? :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
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Mike Ooi wrote:
Christo del Mar wrote:
Other day I went to choppy Manta Point and watch these 3 Europeans all using sidemounts (one of them is Sidemount Instructor), and I was pretty sure they were wishing for backmounts :))

One just need to be aware on what for where, when for which.
Cheers!



Hi Christo,

Do the Sm diver have difficulty to get in and out from water ?


Mike, their problems were all in the water.

Here's what happened.
1st dive : Manta Point is most of the time exposed to surge (surface and underwater, big or mild). 3 SM divers giant stride with doubles (each on the side), and right away they were struggling keeping their face above the surface comfortably dealing with the surge. Other guests with jacket style BM did not have that trouble, of course they were on singles, but still bigger lift. Bear in mind all these 6 guests in our boat have similar experience, 100+ logged dives, minimum Rescue Diver cert. Underwater was another story. Not a good feeling watching them trying to deal with the surge and the rocks. Well, I could understand even having just one tank on our back, Manta Point character is already tricky for buoyancy and environment control, and we're talking two tanks! So the point is, anytime they're on the surface, they were having hard time dealing with the waves, entry or exit.

2nd dive : SD Point. Current were just mild at surface. The SM Instructor decided to jump in the water without tanks, and had the deckhand handed him tanks one by one. So while holding the current line, he was trying to clip the tanks to each side. Not a smart move. He struggled. One hand at the current line, other one clipping the tank. And then he had to wait on the surface for other SM to gear up (later I explain this), grasping the line while mild current continuously pushing him out. Red face, short breath, and lots of cursing! :))

Later I discussed the scenes with this guy (he's a Course Director & Tec Diver, too) on why he dived with SM while he knew Penida is place of current? He, to his own haste, replied: "It's no fun anymore. Just not the right sites for this set up".

They also took up a lot of space & time preparing their gears on board in between dives, tools everywhere. Lesson learnt for my side, never again mixed multiple SM divers with other BM divers in one boat. It wasn't a full capacity boat that day, 8 out 11 max.

So my personal opinion (until today), SM configuration is most useful & perfect for still water & penetration dives. Since it was adopted originally from tec/cave diver into recreational, it ideally be practiced in the same kind of environment according to its original principals.

But whatever, many do-ers out there. Do it, experience it. Even I'm too taking the course, for a specific purpose. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:02 pm 
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Mike Ooi wrote:
Side Mounting is one of the most simple configuration of a BCD



Hi guys,

I suggest you should try SM if you want to know which kind of BCD fit you and give you the most comfort. I believe you will find out the answer is it Sm is one of the simple configuration BCD.

Have a nice day and dive safe.

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 Post subject: Re: Sidemount Courses
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Hi Christo,

Thank you for the information, it's reminds us how important of self-training, understanding of equipment set up, good judgment and own comfortable level. A good Instructor with knowledgeable, experience, good judgment, responsibility is very important, it will bring out the quality of diver, make the diver dive safe and self understanding of ( What you are doing ).

Have a nice day and dive safe.

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